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		<title>Ex-soldier Lisa Smith married a member of al Qaida while in Syria, court hears</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Former Defence Forces soldier Lisa Smith married a member of al Qaida and stayed in a “bombed-out” house where militia and rebels held meetings when she was in Syria, her trial has heard. The Co Louth woman, 39, has pleaded not guilty to charges of membership of the illegal organisation, the so-called Islamic State, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">The Co Louth woman, 39, has pleaded not guilty to charges of membership of the illegal organisation, the so-called Islamic State, and of providing funds to benefit the group.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Giving evidence on Thursday, Tanya Joya told the Special Criminal Court that she and her then-husband John Georgealis had met the accused through his Islamic Facebook group We Hear, We Obey.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya, originally from London, was born a Muslim and said she had become “radicalised” after the September 11 terror attacks in 2001.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She met Mr Georgealis, a US man who converted to Islam, online and the pair subsequently married, and travelled to numerous Muslim countries.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">They met Smith in Turkey in 2013, but crossed the border into Syria when they were unable to find housing due to an influx of refugees into the country.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya told the court that Ms Smith was “excited” to be in Syria, and that she had told her she was planning to die there and become a martyr.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She told the court she was initially happy to meet Smith because she “seemed nice” and was able to help her with her four children.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">But she said that shortly after Smith arrived in Turkey “it got a bit ugly”.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said: “She wanted to go to Syria.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“All Muslims felt an obligation to help the rebels, because they were being oppressed.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“They were brainwashed into thinking if you became a martyr you get to go to paradise.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“Who wouldn’t want that?”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya said they had respected Smith “because she had training in the army”, and “she wanted to hep the rebels”.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She added: “Lisa Marie wanted to go to Syria.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She was determined, it was her goal.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“I was opposed to it because I was afraid.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“I didn’t want to go into a war-zone with my kids.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">The court heard that while Ms Joya was fearful about the war, her husband and Smith would “crack jokes about how close we were to Syria”.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said the trip “wasn’t planned”, but because they were unable to get housing in Turkey they had taken an overnight bus into Syria.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“John promised it was only for a couple of weeks. We stayed in a building that was bombed out, it was owned by a Syrian general,” she said.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya said the house had no electricity, the windows had been smashed, there were bullet holes in the walls and that it was “very dirty”.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She added: “It was where the militia, the rebels had meetings.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“People entering the country would stay there.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said they had stayed there for one week, before they went to stay “with a really fanatical Syrian women” at another location.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">It was here that Smith met a Tunisian man named Ahmed, a member of al Qaida, who she wanted to marry.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya told the court that she had advised Smith to marry for her own protection.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">However, she said she was opposed to her marrying Ahmed because they did not know each other or speak the same language.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“I didn’t like it that Lisa Marie wanted to marry Ahmed.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“I thought it was batsh*t crazy” she said.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said of Smith that “everyone loved her”, while Ahmed was “handsome and charming.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Asked why she thought Smith wanted to marry him, Ms Joya replied: “Because he was hot, that’s why.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“And he was a fighter.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She didn’t know him, but he had a cute smile and he was very shy,” she added.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya told the court the pair got married in Syria, but that she had refused to attend.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She knew I thought it was ridiculous. She didn’t care. To her I wasn’t a good Muslim, and I wasn’t. I didn’t want to be a Muslim,” she said.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya told the court that around this time she got her hands on a “burner” mobile phone, called her husband’s mother and told her to report him to the FBI.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She made plans to leave Syria and Smith asked her if she planned to tell the authorities about her.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“I said yes, I had to,” Ms Joya told the court.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She just shrugged.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She didn’t argue with me.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She knew I was going to do what I had to do.”</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said Smith had blocked her on Facebook after that conversation.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She said the accused stayed in Syria when she made her journey back to the UK, and then to the US.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She (Smith) was not going to leave. It was never her intention to leave. I didn’t care.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“It was like, good riddance. I just wanted to look after my kids,” she said.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ms Joya told told the court she believed Smith had been “indoctrinated”.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She was told what to think.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">“She obeyed because she believed in God” she added.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">The case received widespread attention in 2019 when it emerged that Smith, a former Air Corps soldier who had worked on the Government jet, had been detained in Syria over alleged links to IS.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Smith was arrested at Dublin Airport in 2019 on suspicion of terrorist offences after returning from Turkey in November with her young daughter.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She had travelled to Syria a number of years ago after she converted to Islam.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">Smith is charged under Section Six of the Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offences) Act 2005 which makes it an offence to join a foreign unlawful organisation.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">It is alleged that between October 28 2015 and December 1 2019 at a location outside the State, she was a member of a terrorist group styling itself as the Islamic State.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">She has also been accused of financing terrorism by sending 800 euro (£670) in assistance by Western Union money transfer to a named individual in 2015.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #000000;">The trial will resume at 10.30 am on Friday.</span></p>
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